UPDATED: It’s ACC’s turn now to deal with North Carolina issue

ACC Commissioner John Swofford hands the 2015 conference championship trophy to Clemson's Dabo Swinney in Charlotte. Will that scene be replayed this season? (AP Photo/Bob Leverone)

ACC Commissioner John Swofford hands the 2015 conference championship trophy to Clemson’s Dabo Swinney in Charlotte. Even if Clemson repeats, that scene will not be exactly duplicated this season. (AP Photo/Bob Leverone)

Now that the NCAA has retreated from North Carolina in the face of discriminatory and unnecessary state legislation, a question.

OK, two questions.

First, is there really such a depth of confusion in North Carolina over which bathroom to occupy? For the state to go to all the trouble to pass the so-called bathroom bill – although House Bill 2 contains more seriously grievous aspects than that – there must be whole legions of gender-benders there ready to storm the stalls. OK, what we have here is a bad solution in search of a problem.

Second, what is the ACC to do now?

The conference, based in North Carolina and the home to four member schools that aren’t so keen about HB2, has some history of removing events due to objectionable public policy.

Ask South Carolina and Myrtle Beach, which lost the 2011-13 ACC baseball tournament because of a confederate flag controversy (the flag has since been removed from the state capitol).

The NCAA Monday announced it was pulling all of its 2016-17 championship events scheduled for North Carolina – seven of them, ranging from the first weekend of its men’s basketball tournament to the D III men’s and women’s tennis championships.

So, what of the ACC, which has 17 championships scheduled over the school year in sweet home North Carolina? Most notably there is the conference championship football game, set for Dec. 3 in Charlotte.

Does Commissioner John Swofford and his conference have the will to follow suit and make the powerful statement by relocating that plum to, say, Tampa or Orlando (where presumably there will be no need for chromosome testing at the bathroom door)?

That answer came, resoundingly, on Wednesday when the ACC’s council of university presidents voted to move all neutral site championship out of North Carolina. Yes, that includes the big football game.

The statement from the presidents read: “As members of the Atlantic Coast Conference, the ACC Council of Presidents reaffirmed our collective commitment to uphold the values of equality, diversity, inclusion and non-discrimination. Every one of our 15 universities is strongly committed to these values and therefore, we will continue to host ACC Championships at campus sites. We believe North Carolina House Bill 2 is inconsistent with these values, and as a result, we will relocate all neutral site championships for the 2016-17 academic year. All locations will be announced in the future from the conference office.”

It was the slap in the face to North Carolina heard around the conference.

A meaningful rebuke. A reminder that the ACC prefers its marquee events to take place in the 21st Century.

Life in the ACC otherwise will go on – which means, for example, that the rebuilding Georgia Tech men’s basketball team unfortunately is still obliged to make the trip to Duke on Jan. 4. It is for the conference leadership to decide whether North Carolina is a worthy stop for its discretionary championship events.

The recent decision by the NCAA was simple, a lay-up if ever there was one.

This was the much more difficult call, at the root level. Frankly, a little to my surprise, the ACC did have the fortitude to isolate North Carolina even though it lives on that very same island.

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Salt-n-Light
Salt-n-Light

So you are approving of the ACC bullying NC like the NCAA did because NC doesn't have a busted moral compass. You should be writing with Bookman on the editorial page.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

Politicizing sports is an unseemly power grab by the left, leveraging media and big businesses they can control or influence. It's very much akin to a fan running onto the field of play - that is an abuse of the venue for a personal agenda.


The NFL/ACC, or whoever has the right as an organization to set their policies and conduct business as they see fit within the law. Just because something is legal though does not make it appropriate. Power can be abused, and this is a clear example of abuse of power. There will be repurcussions - I have turned off several NFL games so far this year because of the political propagandizing about the protests.


Sports is intended to be, to the extent possible, fair competition for the athletes, diversionary entertainment for the fans, and a money making business for the investors. It becomes very unseemly when sports is politicized or corrupted, whether it is Hitler, the Cold War powers, third-world nations, protests, bribes, whatever.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

Add: I saw Schultz' article at the top of the sports section in the paper the other day. Trashed the paper immediately. If this continues another paying customer will be "on the sidelines".

DawgNole
DawgNole

@DawgDadII: ". . .I have turned off several NFL games so far this year because of the political propagandizing about the protests."

________________

Then YOU are the loser--or you don't really care about watching the games.

NO political BS will ever stop me from doing what I most enjoy doing in my leisure time during the college and pro football seasons!

RonMexico
RonMexico

@DawgDadII This isn't about sports; it's about business. And it's about the American core value of equality for all, not just equality those for who don't make so-called Christians feel uncomfortable.

If NC lawmakers pass laws that single out a specific minority group for additional scrutiny and public shaming, they should expect additional scrutiny and public shaming themselves. 

Actions have consequences. Quit whining about North Carolina having to learn that.

TonyHut
TonyHut

@RonMexico @DawgDadII Listen you idiot. Fags are not the only people in this country with rights, after listening to idiots like you I wouldn't be shocked to find out different though. I'm pretty sure I have a right to keep a set of nuts from going into the bathroom where my daughter is. If that is too hard for you to understand, then tough chiot, cause I don't give a dam what you think.

YellowJacket7879
YellowJacket7879

Regardless of this specific issue, I object to letting Athletic Associations dictate public policy under the guise of equity and inclusion.  It totally undermines the basic premise of democracy.  Majority rule.  It would be really interesting to see what the ACC would do if all their states passed some variety of laws all of which got lumped into an area deemed by the vocal minority to be non-PC. 


The NCAA (and the ACC being afraid to look adverse) along with NFL, NBA are once again drunk with self appointed power.  As a voter in the state of Georgia, I have no hope what so ever of attending a Super Bowl or benefiting from it being played here.  Why should I let them dictate what my religious based morals should be?  Now we could use our freedom of assembly in a manner that might inadvertently disrupt the out of town Super Bowl visitors from moving into the glass palace.

RonMexico
RonMexico

@YellowJacket7879 Democracy is only about "majority rule" when the majority isn't trying to suppress peoples' constitutional rights. You can't have your cake and eat it too; if you want laws that normalize bigotry, you should expect businesses and organizations that believe in equality to speak up and reconsider whether they want to operate in your state.

Caius
Caius

@YellowJacket7879 "It totally undermines the basic premise of democracy.  Majority rule."

The basic premise of the U S Constitution is that the minority is protected from the tyranny of the majority.  See the Bill of Rights. They are there to protect you from the majority.

TOJacket
TOJacket

It is never going away my friends.... Like it or not, PC is here....you don't have to like it, but we are going to have to live with it. I have 3 millenials......it doesn't stir them the way it does us.......Sodom&Gommorah.2

Big Wally
Big Wally

@TOJacket That's why I hope the Power Conferences split from the NCAA.  The NCAA will then be useless.

DawgNole
DawgNole

@TOJacket

Are you responding to me after vowing that you would not (just like tampongator)?!

Big Wally
Big Wally

Hey Hummer,  keep your idiotic politics out of your weak a$$ reporting.  President Kennedy put a man on the moon.  Obama put a man in the women's restroom.

DarianFisher
DarianFisher

"Discriminatory and unnecessary state legislation"?  Steve Hummer is showing his true liberal and bias colors in this blog.  C'mon Steve, instead of basically praising the NCAA for pulling their events out of NC, how about you talk about all they money the NCAA makes off real discriminatory countries like China for example?  This liberal political correct BS has got to stop and it will only stop when liberal writers like Steve Hummer go away.

FineousMcDirtyBird
FineousMcDirtyBird

@DarianFisher So you concede that the law is discriminatory and unnecessary...and I'm sure nothing in your home was made in China.

Peachs
Peachs

Basketball in North Carolina, is like football in Georgia. This will have a huge political affect! I often wonder why minorities don't boycott sports until they get things straight!

@Peachs We in the majority, who spend the money, can also boycott sports. A great idea!

Big Wally
Big Wally

@Peachs Who gets to decide what is 'straight'?   At one time a majority of people in this country were pro-slavery, did that make them right?

EdHolst1
EdHolst1

Can we please leave politics out of college sports? I would like to have just one little tiny space in the world where I can focus on enjoying the sport without having my political opinions denigrated.

STHornet1990
STHornet1990

@EdHolst1 It's not a political argument. Real people play and watch college sports. Everyone is invited, or not.

MainDeal
MainDeal

The acc needs to move the title game to orlando--better weather, more to do.

DawgNole
DawgNole

@CedricM

They've staged it in nearby Tampa, but only about 16 fans showed up.

LOGS1973
LOGS1973

@DawgNole @CedricM That will be 14 more fans than the Dogs will have showing up come November!! LOL Nicholls who? What a joke...

DawgNole
DawgNole

@LOGS1973

Nicholls who???

You know, the team you said actually beat UGA.

Why don't you tell the folks how you stupidly predicted UGA would lose to UNC, too?

And don't forget to throw in there your promise that UGA would be unranked this week.

You're fast moving up the list of "dumb as they come" on these blogs. Real fast!

FineousMcDirtyBird
FineousMcDirtyBird

Odd fact: People "flashing their genitals" was neither a growing nor even existent problem before the law was passed. That type of act was already illegal under standard indecency laws. To date, there is still no official charge or enforcement mechanism related to a person using a bathroom that doesn't conform to their gender. So why the law? And why cut your nose off your face to defend it?


The publicly elected representatives in Charlotte passed an anti-discrimination law that included LGBT folk. The state legislature takes a day and a half to write a law forbidding ANY local anti-discrimination legislation, eliminating state court recourse for persons suing for wrongful termination, eviction, denial of services on the basis of discrimination (not limited to LGBT). And the bathroom stuff. Subsequently, people with money and "job creators" are finding a new place to do business. 


I get people having strong beliefs and a willingness to fight for them. Not sure what that law represents, other than stupidity, that is worth losing this much. 


Thank God Deal ain't a moron.



SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@FineousMcDirtyBird 

Perhaps you are not aware of the public outcry, especially among mothers of school-age children, who vehemently opposed the Charlotte ordinance.  0.3% of the population CLAIM to be trannies, and yet the other 99.7% are supposed to allow them to do whatever they want to, knowing that there is at least a POTENTIAL for predators to take advantage of the situation.  We have preventative medication available to us to hopefully prevent certain diseases and conditions.  What's so wrong with having preventative laws and regulations to prevent predatory behavior.  Even if it only happens once in a million instances, that once is too many, especially when it could have potentially been prevented to begin with. Deal was a pragmatist, and I won't fault him for that, but he was still wrong.

FineousMcDirtyBird
FineousMcDirtyBird

@SupersizeThatOrder-mutt @FineousMcDirtyBird As I said, the law doesn't have any mechanism to prevent a sexual predator from entering any bathroom he or she pleases. It simply says "don't." Forgetting the fact that someone doing such a thing would already be guilty of a real crime under laws that already existed. So I ask again, what does this law actually do except cost North Carolinians money and jobs? I'll answer my own question: It's a tort reform law that inhibits people from suing for their rights. So, you know, real American legislation...

JSSN
JSSN

@FineousMcDirtyBird 

Deal's a moron, but his love of money in the form of graft far exceeds his desire to legislate so-called morality for the Social Conservatives! So the possible lost opportunities to get some money under the table from any event far outweighs the blow back of the Right! And if it keeps the (ill)moral Conservatives out of folks daily entertainment/bathrooms/public accommodations/bedrooms, well thank his greedy little heart!

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

Just saw that the ACC has followed this stupid policy and voted to move all neutral site ACC championship venues out of NC.  SAD !!!

TOJacket
TOJacket

12/13,Your soup-sandwich a$$ couldn't run a pair of 99cent hose!

Sonic The HedgeHog
Sonic The HedgeHog

Or course people with male parts should go to the male restroom. Why would you do otherwise? Same for women. Only weird people would do otherwise. Get real.

TOJacket
TOJacket

Is this called the "don't ask don't tell" bathroom?

tomkat1111
tomkat1111

First, is there really such a depth of confusion in North Carolina over which bathroom to occupy?

There wasn't until Obama threw the freaks into the mainstream.

Big Wally
Big Wally

@RationalThoughts67 @tomkat1111 Wrong comrade.  Just pulled this from a internet story.  You can thank me later for the education.


The simple fact is that all of the gains in oil and gas production have occurred on private lands using new technologies roundly opposed by liberal Democrats. In fact, oil production on federal lands is down 6 percent since 2009 and natural gas production is down 28 percent. Meanwhile, oil production on private lands is up 61 percent since 2009, and natural gas production is up 33 percent.

None of these gains in domestic oil and gas production would have occurred if Obama had been able to pass the carbon cap and trade plan he pushed in 2009, the stated goal of which was to decrease oil and gas consumption by driving up the cost of producing it.

Only because Republicans stayed unified, and rejected Obama’s cap and trade carbon tax, was the shale oil and natural gas boom able to produce the astounding results we are all enjoying today.

RationalThoughts67
RationalThoughts67

@tomkat1111 Of course, it is Obama's fault.


Geez people.  I guess it is Obama's fault that you have bad breath when you wake up in the morning.


Also, remember when you people blamed Obama for $4/gallon gas.  I don't hear anyone giving credit to Obama for $2/gallon gas.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

The NCAA should stay out of politics and quit bowing to the demands of a fringe element of our already sick society.  They should be more concerned with all the academic fraud that goes on at UNC (and many other schools) and quit worrying about letting men into women's restrooms.  I am appalled and embarrassed that the Tech president would play a part in such an absurd move.  If your wife or daughter are happy with a man flashing his genitals in their restroom, then so be it, but most mothers in this country are not.  The law was not unnecessary, because the city of Charlotte had passed a local law (widely objected to) which allowed the aforementioned practice to be acceptable.  The UNC legislature merely reacted to the demand and put a stop to the foolishness.  Now the NCAA has joined the ranks of the PC-controlled and taken on a position which says it knows more than the elected legislature of NC and the people of NC.  SICK  and DISGUSTING !!!

dawg fan
dawg fan

@SupersizeThatOrder-mutt  I wish you could apply this same level of cognitive functioning to football.  For some reason you leave your brain at the freaking door on that topic. 

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@dawg fan 

Sorry, bubba, but YOU and others like you are the brainless ones.  I know every bit as much, if not more, about football as you do.  At least we Tech fans don't sink into despair every year because our team ONCE AGAIN failed to live up to expectations.  Mutts are the worst losers AND the worst winners in all of college football.

twelveofthirteen
twelveofthirteen

Idiot! You are the armpit of the south TO.

Who runs the coastal? We do and we run this state!

twelveofthirteen
twelveofthirteen

Instead, you sink it all in the last Saturday of November only to come away disappointed time and again. At least we have aspirations beyond the state of Georgia and your boy TO is the torch carrier for all tech fans. Obsessed with a team they can't beat.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@twelveofthirteen 

Aspirations?  HA !!!  Those aspirations die every year in September.  But, as I said above, what does that have to do with the topic at hand?  You just thrive on showing your *** just like some men want to show their genitals in a women's restroom.  SAD !!!

TOJacket
TOJacket

I can't wait till the "Fire Kirby" rally's start. Dawgphlem buddy 12or13 must have liked him!

LOGS1973
LOGS1973

@twelveofthirteen If mighty Nicholls State loses to the mighty leghumpers by only 2 points, GT will boat race the

dogs in Athens... Look for it..

DawgNole
DawgNole

@LOGS1973 @twelveofthirteen

You actually declared after the game that Nicholls beat UGA. You also predicted that the Tarheels would beat UGA.

And then you topped off those idiot observations by proclaiming that UGA would not be ranked this week.

Looks like you've struck out--AGAIN!